DragonGaming wrote:
denuvo is one of the most hated anti-cheat device

Wasn't it just an anti-tamper aka DRM assistant? Denuvo anti-temper & Denuvo anti-cheat are two different things.

At the start of every Opendev intro the very first thing mentioned is the 10 year journey of codeveloping along with the community; if there was ever a time to prove it is now.

The community is speaking, let's hope they're listening as they have in the past. 

Yes, waiting ...

I could control it by locking your thread, calm down or I will.

Why can't these anti-Denuvo threads be merged? One sticky at the top of the board will fix this issue. It seems it's the same folks who are posting in them or reading them so of course it's just going to amplify the noise created by a small number of posters.

Kutuzov wrote:

Why can't these anti-Denuvo threads be merged? One sticky at the top of the board will fix this issue. It seems it's the same folks who are posting in them or reading them so of course it's just going to amplify the noise created by a small number of posters.

That's a good point. If there are are other threads still active I'll merge them. 

Sublustris wrote:

I'm all for tidy forums, but belittling problems isn't a solution. Topic obviously have traction among many players, not only here, but also on Steam, Reddit and wherever else you go.

How is asking for these threads to be merged and stickied belittling their issues or problems? While I'm not particularly concerned about this issue myself (i.e, I am going to keep my pre-order and play the game Denuvo or not), I certainly respect people's viewpoint and am not going to object to their concerns at all. Stickying it keeps the topic on the front page for as long as it is stickied which means it is easy for anyone who wishes to read about the issue to find it. It's the opposite of belittling unless you wish to demonstrate to us how it is not? 

I will. This is belittling:

Kutuzov wrote:
same folks who are posting in them or reading them

Kutuzov wrote:
noise created by a small number of posters

What you are saying here is that Denuvo is not an issue (because it isn't for you, duh), so you conclude that only vocal minority will grumble about it or be interested in the topic. Well you are wrong. Have a pleasant day.

Kutuzov wrote:

Sublustris wrote:

I'm all for tidy forums, but belittling problems isn't a solution. Topic obviously have traction among many players, not only here, but also on Steam, Reddit and wherever else you go.

How is asking for these threads to be merged and stickied belittling their issues or problems? While I'm not particularly concerned about this issue myself (i.e, I am going to keep my pre-order and play the game Denuvo or not), I certainly respect people's viewpoint and am not going to object to their concerns at all. Stickying it keeps the topic on the front page for as long as it is stickied which means it is easy for anyone who wishes to read about the issue to find it. It's the opposite of belittling unless you wish to demonstrate to us how it is not? 

It looks like a mod agreed to merge topics, but not to sticky the merged topic. That's reducing overall visibility by quite a lot.

Sublustris wrote:

I will. This is belittling:

Kutuzov wrote:
same folks who are posting in them or reading them

Kutuzov wrote:
noise created by a small number of posters

What you are saying here is that Denuvo is not an issue (because it isn't for you, duh), so you conclude that only vocal minority will grumble about it or be interested in the topic. Well you are wrong. Have a pleasant day.

But you are the same group of posters.

And the tactic of creating as much noise as possible to fool the opposition into thinking your numbers are greater than they actually are is as old as the hills. That is what Dragongaming was alluding to in his post above which attracted my attention. More on that later.

No, Denuvo is not the issue for me that it is for you. I don't much like that it's there and if they remove it, I will be happy that they have done so. But if they decide to keep it, it's just not going to make that much difference to me because I don't share your passion for this issue and I will play the game regardless. How representative that makes my stance, I have no idea. Well, actually I do but I'm not opening that can of worms here ;)

One final point before I scurry off with my tail between my legs after a well-deserved beating. This discussion is a matter of public record and it should be clear to anyone who is reading with a clear head what is being said and what is being manufactured for reasons. My intervention starts with Dragongaming's post above which elicited a response from a moderator. I have not been belittling the issue at all. I understand that this disproportionate overreaction because someone had the temerity to suggest merging Denuvo threads here and stickying it at the top of the page has caused some offence to you.

1. Offending people was not my intention.
2. Neither you not your cause is being attacked.

There should have been no need for either of those statements to be made either but I understand the passion I'm confronting and feel it is necessary to do so.

Now, if you wish to keep taking my posts out of context and manufacturing offence from them, I could be encouraged to stay in the ring but otherwise, I'm content to let this matter rest.

You keep repeating that they are minority, but they aren't - steam forums were flooded with denuvo threads for almost a month, reddit had large threads until they got deleted.

The hate for denuvo is pretty universal among gamers wherever you go. You must understand, that it's purpose is purely to satisfy publisher/developer and nothing more. It's inferior in every way to legit players. Not every tech-savy aware of its presence, even less how it works, but those that know see they have zero gains and myriad of actual and potential issues with it.