its really a urgent matter since it costs too much time and nerves in multiplayer. Totally agreed.

@Lt_Miles @The-Cat-o-Nine-Tales can you confirm that this game has been tested without .net 3.5 on Windows 10? It was never needed before patch 1.

can you also confirm this game has been tested on Windows 10 with OneDrive KFM enabled for Documents?

Good job doing that but as i saw on the forum 8% of the community play multiplayer so its not critical for them to fix this and of course 8% is because people wont play a game with constant disconnect... snake eating his tail again that will need time all we can do is wait and hope or refund if its not too late.

I've also noticed that sometimes units are not synched and the other player can just do whatever like the units didn't exist in his map if the units have been spawned the turn before so potentially has more issues than what we realise

Haloman91 wrote:

Good job doing that but as i saw on the forum 8% of the community play multiplayer

The achievement for playing with a human player on steam has a 0.7% completion rate, but this achievement only triggers when you finish a game with a human player, I think that speaks volumes about how bad of a shape the multiplayer aspect of the game is in, because I see boatloads of lobbies on the multiplayer connect window no matter what time I play the game but very few people are managing to play to the end what with having to rehost lobbies multiple times in a 3 turn period, nukes softlocking the game, certain AI units softlocking battles which softlocks the end turn button and so on. One would have hoped for a hotfix for some of the most egregious bugs by now but I guess we can hope Amplitude are packing all their croissants in one bag and we get a massive sweeping fix in one big patch or something knocking out a majority of the issues in the first month of release, cause' its been almost a week now.

Thanks for your work, al Qamar! I share your sentiment.

This issue is a nightmare. So many wasted hours. Repeated turns. Messages saying 'connection lost. The host has left the game, or you have been disconnected from the game server'. Crazy that the game has launched with this serious multiplayer issue. Clearly an issue with Humankind as nothing else is effected and we never have these kinds of connection issues, especially when we are playing in the same room. 

huzzd wrote:

This issue is a nightmare. So many wasted hours. Repeated turns. Messages saying 'connection lost. The host has left the game, or you have been disconnected from the game server'. Crazy that the game has launched with this serious multiplayer issue. Clearly an issue with Humankind as nothing else is effected and we never have these kinds of connection issues, especially when we are playing in the same room. 

yes, i agree. got a bunch of friends who played civ and hopped onto the humankind train when we saw it, loved the combat systems and figuring out the mechanics but goddamn the amount of desyncs and disconnects is quite abhorrent. a couple of turns in and we all drop, tried to reload and one of us gets disconnected during the loading process. 

getting really tired of the unplayable state of the game right now. 

Thanks for your upvotes and ongoing support.

I really do not care much about player statistics. as said in the OP Humankind has many issues and it is upon the devs to triage and prioritize.

Among the issues in MP, which is part of the advertised featureset, imho this has the highest priority, I hope this makes it clear that this does not mean it has the highest total priority over all issues reported. 

Please keep share your point of views and experience while reporting the issue in majorly this thread with savegames and logs. 

I am #NotADev but I know that few logs from few people could be too less to find a repro of this issue. More cases and logs are never wrong. 

@Stealthkibbler  @Lt_Miles @The-Cat-o-Nine-Tales seems I have great news. even though the MP sync fix is not included in the beta patch notes, I can report the following

1. turn with the beta patch the game was still desync as before after end turn for both

2. after this the sync issue did not appear for 7 turns, which is an remarkable leap forward from where we come from.

3. Seems like Stealthkibbler has found the possible root cause. on turn 7 it went desync again. 

How to repro:

- 1 move a unit

- both players press end turn while the unit is still moving

- game desync on the begining of this turn. After end turn the player should not be able to change anything except scrolling the map and view things. This seems to heal it.

If this is the cause it would also explain reports of others that also other of your game have this issue. but it can be easily fixed by locking moves and building queues.

alQamar wrote:

@Stealthkibbler  @Lt_Miles @The-Cat-o-Nine-Tales seems I have great news. even though the MP sync fix is not included in the beta patch notes, I can report the following

1. turn with the beta patch the game was still desync as before after end turn for both

2. after this the sync issue did not appear for 7 turns, which is an remarkable leap forward from where we come from.

3. Seems like Stealthkibbler has found the possible root cause. on turn 7 it went desync again. 

How to repro:

- 1 move a unit

- both players press end turn while the unit is still moving

- game desync on the begining of this turn. After end turn the player should not be able to change anything except scrolling the map and view things. This seems to heal it.

If this is the cause it would also explain reports of others that also other of your game have this issue. but it can be easily fixed by locking moves and building queues.

tyvm for the update, much appreciated.

I have to thank you for the discovery. Since the game is nearly stable with the beta patch. 1 internet connection lost after 12 turns and 2 desync of which one was the one avoidable above.

honestly i would rather they would prioritize the stuck on loading screen error... some of us can't even get to the main menu, despitze all the fixes listed everywhere!

@Techadept it feels you are frustrated about it and it is very understandable. What do you think about posting this in relevant bug threads for this particular issue?

alQamar wrote:

I have to thank you for the discovery. Since the game is nearly stable with the beta patch. 1 internet connection lost after 12 turns and 2 desync of which one was the one avoidable above.

In 12 turns 1 desync and 1 dc is still pretty unstable. But good to know on a workaround.

adrenaline15 wrote:

huzzd wrote:

This issue is a nightmare. So many wasted hours. Repeated turns. Messages saying 'connection lost. The host has left the game, or you have been disconnected from the game server'. Crazy that the game has launched with this serious multiplayer issue. Clearly an issue with Humankind as nothing else is effected and we never have these kinds of connection issues, especially when we are playing in the same room. 

yes, i agree. got a bunch of friends who played civ and hopped onto the humankind train when we saw it, loved the combat systems and figuring out the mechanics but goddamn the amount of desyncs and disconnects is quite abhorrent. a couple of turns in and we all drop, tried to reload and one of us gets disconnected during the loading process. 

getting really tired of the unplayable state of the game right now. 

Same here - been absolutely excited for Humankind and loving it when it is working. 

My partner and I are now literally playing Civ instead (which works perfectly) - Humankind Multiplayer is just unplayable at the moment.  

Yeah me, my gf, and her brother were playing and we kept getting desynced and maybe only once we got the lost connection, but after we try to join the server again it either kicks one or both of them and we need to keep trying to get back in. And I have had the issue now within the last hour or two at least 20 different times. We're loving the game but damn when this happens it gets kinda frustrating.

Comment for support the thread. 

Hello!

Thank you for taking the time to not only report these, but also gathering so many of into one place! The information has been passed on to the team.

Saikana wrote:

Hello!

Thank you for taking the time to not only report these, but also gathering so many of into one place! The information has been passed on to the team.

Thank you for your response @Saikana.

Ive played a lot with alQamar and i can confirm the problem. Hope you guys can fix theese soon :)

Youre welcome @Saikana, I am happy to see this is now passed on. As @Kabs1982 said if we follow the "rules" mentioned the game is will lot less likely become unstable. I hope that this find of @Stealthkibbler and my proposed workaround to limit user access to "read-only" to the map / UI after "end turn" will solve a lot of these causes.

Also hope you can reproduce these findings.

Thank you @andrenaline15 and the "founder" of this @Stealthkibbler 

@alQamar you're a hero! You did a lot of  QA's work for them.  Multiplayer is the only way my friends and I play this game. I can't wait for this bug to be fixed!

the credits for summary, thread collection and testing I take on me. Thank you for your appreciation @MorganSpectre .

Workaround credits go to @Stealthkibbler 

We did not get this in the latest update, I hope this will be fixed soon!  Any updates @saikana be greatly appreciated. Did this make the sprint? 

@alQamar Wonderful work on how to get this to repro, I am about to try some of these suggestions on my MP game to see if we can get past 3-5 turns without the issue. Thank you, I am so excited to get to late game but playing this game solo is just not for me.

Didn't even make it one turn. RIP. Wish I could get a refund.

Thank you @n2shield  maybe we could try together just for the sake of testing? write me a dm. 

Not being able to play one turn seems very uncommon. 

I can't believe they stil have not addressed this. Why release a game with a mode that doesn't work? 

Long ago, my friends and I pre-ordered the game. We played the Closed Beta and were suspicious because there was no multiplayer for a 'Civ Killer' ten years in the making.

Now I have played hundreds of hours of multiplayer ALONE !

My friends all DLed the game at launch.

We all have game dedicated broadband links of 70Mb/sec or better.

We tried to play multiplayer.

But within a few turns, one or more of us got "You have lost your internet connection", which really is not very empathic or true. It's annoying wording.

The game has fudged out, guys, not my internet. I assure you. I pay A LOT to make sure I have a totally stable link. It's never disconnected a Call of Duty or Battlefield game ever, and anything like a true lag spike is very very rare. That's what you pay for.

The most common time for the disconnect now is at the end of the first turn after reload from save, with successive turns less and less likely to fail. In other words when the game has auto-saved and is trying to sync with whatever cloud wherever. The problem is, imho, at the cloud. Never buy cheap cloud folks!

Anyway, back then, we would reload a save. Half the time the save reflects the game state, for example at end of turn. Half the time it is the start of the last turn. 

Now in an average game at turn 100, I have about 30 military units. It takes 10 to 15 minutes to make each turn. So losing a turn is annoying, a lot. ( my current solo multiplayer game on Humankind difficulty, at turn 92 has 27 units, 4 cities, 23 total provinces)

Anyway, ALL my firends gave up long ago.

YES, we ALL saved every turn before we pressed end turn, every single time, and over-filled our save game cloud quota many times. Cheap cloud again. Meh.

We reloaded over and over and over.

But they gave up. It was bad.

When combined with all the other bugs, it was too much.

They left. They won't come back. They will abuse the game to anyone who will listen. They looked at these forums, and did not want to bother trying to make a better world. If I mention Humankind, they abuse me, bad!

I am playing on!

I am also playing Civ VI with them right now, while I type this note to you. And I will continue Humankind alone after they go to bed.

I play multiplayer Humankind, alone, for one reason.

So, Some future day, I can report that Humankind no longer has a "lost internet" BUG!

I live in hope. 

Alone.

God Bless You.

The desync issue should have been fixed as the highest priority. I bought this game because one of my friends loves this genre of gaming (we had a lot of fun playing other games of this type) in order to play together. We are both very patient people, and have tried on many occasions to play this, but every time we play the game becomes almost unplayable after the first couple of eras. The game constantly disconnects and sometimes it isn't possible to recover from the last auto (or manual) save either because one of the players will just disconnect during the game load process or it will disconnect at the end of the loaded turn anyway. I feel that I have just thrown my money away as I don't generally play these kinds of games solo. As a software dev myself, showing a message saying the network or host disconnected is a big slap in the face because I know it has nothing to do with the network (which I have tested). My only other idea is to try playing hot-seat and share access to my screen (don't know if the game supports this or not). If anyone is considering buying this game for the purpose of playing multiplayer don't waste your time.

At this point I would just love an update from someone working on the issue. This cannot be that hard to reproduce, I reproduce it every single game lol.

No update, no change log info. Anyone able to play a full MP game or should I just uninstall and never look back?

Insanely good game but impossible to play in multiplayer which is really a shame I'd love to be able to play with my friends without loosing them every 10 turns or so. May be try to increase the timeout duration before loosing a player.