I would really appreciate an update from Amplitude on the progress of an M1 Mac supported release of HK.

The silence is deafening... 

Very good question. I myself have been waiting for 6 months now to hear about an officially M1 Mac compatible version. I would definitely buy the game if available for my new MacBook Pro. Also a Mac demo version would be great.

But probably Civ 7 will there before that happens?

I guess the problem is more of a „no one knows“ than not wanting to respond. I‘m also sure that Amplitude isn‘t happy with how things went/are regarding Mac and HK. As a fellow Mac player, I have actually given up on getting a smooth version anytime soon long ago. Maybe they‘ll do a good M1 version from the ground up in a few years, but until then, it‘s cloud gaming HK for me.

That is a good point. 

I know that its probably a simple question of economics (less attention for a platform that has less customers on it) but it is still a bit disappointing to see Windows people getting a good experience (and even new content) while Mac people can't even play the base game well (black tiles bug is a bit of a dealbreaker in my opinion). 

You would think that multiple months must be enough to fix the black tiles bug. But maybe I am underestimating the complexities of game development.

I would imagine the issues mac development is facing is quite similar to the issues that Stadia development has been facing for the past half year. But without developer comment on this, who knows

lucaserlacher wrote:

That is a good point. 

I know that its probably a simple question of economics (less attention for a platform that has less customers on it) but it is still a bit disappointing to see Windows people getting a good experience (and even new content) while Mac people can't even play the base game well (black tiles bug is a bit of a dealbreaker in my opinion). 

You would think that multiple months must be enough to fix the black tiles bug. But maybe I am underestimating the complexities of game development.

The black tiles combat bug being fixed would be great for me... 

I played it since release on my 2015 iMac at peak 20 fps (that's how much I love this game!) on Simple and now my Mac Studio can do much better on Good, even under Rosetta.

Yeah, I think fixing the black tiles bug would be enough for most Mac users (regardless of a M1 version).

Just any update from the developers on the black tiles bug would be so much appreciated...

Amplitude clearly cared some as they put effort towards an M1 version (Universal) so that gives me some hope.

I do hope that they can fix the black tiles in the short term and in the long term fix whatever causes the Universal version to crash

Yeah, I really don't understand it: Amplitude must have invested quite a bit of money to get the Mac version to where it is now. Why not go a little bit further and make it actually playable (by fixing the black tiles bug)? People are not stupid, they will watch reviews/read about the state of the game. They will find out that Humankind on Mac is currently not really playable (because of the black tiles bug) and will probably not buy it because of that. All that money that must have been spent on getting Humankind on Mac to where it is now is kind of wasted at the moment... 

To me it sounds like they messed up their planning and discovered that some third-party library they use does not run on M1 at the last second. Judging by their previous releases, they develop exclusively for Windows and only start testing Mac builds close to release. I was very surprised that they cited “lack of hardware to test on” a year after that hardware became available. 

This situation is said, annoying and was probably easily preventable with some foresight. It’s also a missed opportunity for Amplitude to appeal to the poorly satisfied native Mac gaming demand. Given how good M1 Macs are for gaming and how quickly their number increases, I wouldn’t be surprised if there will be some bad blood between upgrading members of the community and Amplitude. At least I have refunded the game early enough. 

Wait, M1s are actually good for gaming? Seriously? I may have had bad luck then with my experience. All the games I tried (mostly paradox stuff) run much (much!) better on my 2017 MacBook Pro compared to the 2021 iMac that should be faster/better in any regard. I haven’t run gaming benchmarks, but when I did so with calculating complex statistical models, the iMac took around 5 times as long as the MacBook. Hence, upgrading would be suicide (at work) until the programs run natively (if they ever do) or the rosetta ports run more smoothly. So far, I thought it would be similar for gaming. Would be happy to be proven otherwise!

@Siptah - my Mac Studio actually runs the game pretty well (40-60 fps, mostly) on Good setting.  I'd be playing HK right now if it wasn't for the black tiles combat bug.

Hi All, 

I agree with all of above, the only thing left to fix in the Mac version of HK on M1 Macs is the black tiles combat bug. The game is playable using Rosetta 2.

Best,

Javier

jalmillategui wrote:

Hi All, 

I agree with all of above, the only thing left to fix in the Mac version of HK on M1 Macs is the black tiles combat bug. The game is playable using Rosetta 2.

Best,

Javier

Unfortunately Amplitude made it very clear that they are not interested in supporting Mac users. They could have easily fixed these issues in the past year. 

jalmillategui wrote:

Hi All, 

I agree with all of above, the only thing left to fix in the Mac version of HK on M1 Macs is the black tiles combat bug. The game is playable using Rosetta 2.

Best,

Javier

Having said that, we still need native M1 support... Rosetta 2 is not a permanent solution, as it is in and of itself not a permanent thing.

Agreed! Rosetta 2 should last until Apple finishes migrating from Intel to its own processors... That should be done this year or early next year.

In any case, the lack of any message from Amplitude is disappointing...

Regards,

Javier