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Khaar wrote:

​After Amplitude so shamefully ignored this thread, I felt quite disappointed as a loyal player who has been around since Endless Space 1, and I even announced that I wouldn’t pre-order any more games from Amplitude.

Amplitude, you've lost the trust of many of your most loyal fans. But you can also earn it back. Removing Denuvo from Endless Dungeon with a patch would be the first step.

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We are not ignoring the thread at all, believe me. But there is not much I can say about the topic to be honest.

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Daarkarrow wrote:

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MachineSpirit wrote:

Has this game been abandoned?

We are working on the next update that should release really 🔜™ 

@Daarkarrow I have updated the game on Epic but I still get an authentication error when I try to link my Epic account in the settings. This means I still dont have access to the "Last Wish Edition" skins I paid for at release. I don't want to submit yet another bug report about it here because obviously that isn't working, what else can I do other than complain to SEGA about this?

what kind of error are you getting? Would you mind sharing a screenshot?

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ThePilot wrote:

I was gonna let it be, but I can't.
I have now multiple times said very succinctly that this game is derivative of DotE, NOT a "Direct Sequel".

To use your Assassin's Creed example:
If I were Ubisoft and wanted to try something different using Assassin's Creed as my inspiration, and made a game called "Creed of the Assassin" where the differences were:
   -Graphics are happy and cartoony (appealing to a different demographic hopefully) as opposed to the established realism in the Franchise
   -Simplify the combat system to be just a knife attack, sword swing, and crossbow shot
   -Implemented a strategic system where knife beats crossbow, crossbow beats sword, and sword beats knife

   -Flavor the setting with Assassin's Creed, but not let it hold any substance of the established universe
   -Made 9 different "assassins", each with 3 abilities that separate them from each other, where they level up their strength, dexterity, or vitality as the game progresses 

   -Changed the camera to be Isometric top-down

Leading up to release we tell our community that this "isn't Assassin's Creed, but we learned a lot from our time making Assassin's Creed and want to advance the genre further". 
The community buys it! They all get the game or follow it expecting to see "What's next for Assassin's Creed!" 

Upon release, the community we marketed to explodes over how derivative it is, constantly comparing it to Assassin's Creed and showing where it falls short of it's predecessor. 
(Personally, I would immediately think that Ubisoft was just using their franchise name to sell the game.)

Are you picking up what I'm putting down, @Daarkarrow ? Ya'll tied the game to DotE, and now it is your Ball-and-Chain whether you agree with it or not. It is glaringly obvious this is not a 'direct sequel', and no one ever said as much. IT IS DERIVATIVE.

Yes, i totally get your point. We have tried to differentiate in the communication to make it clear that it was not a direct sequel but I agree that we didn't success to the 100%

People was expecting and wanted a sequel, and therefore some suggestions was around going back to DotE2 mechanics (which I'm the first one that love the game), which was out of scope (not an easy solution).

ThePilot wrote:
I personally think if you guys scrapped the weapons and level-up system currently implemented in favor of more unique weapons and also different more stylized level ups based on the character, you'd be rocking it. That can't be that code-breaking, right?
Quality over quantity. Circling back to my review, every system is too general and bland.
Get rid of the rock/paper/scissors turret system, it is far too simplistic. This is much harder to do I imagine.
It's strange not seeing FIDSI, and I realize the traditional Dust system won't work here, but I am sure there is another use for Dust :/ 

Ah yes I can tell you that a lot of things can do a "code-breaking" and there are some ideas, like certain things to include as weapon chips (that could differentiate a lot of the weapons) that the base system does not support, so it is not something we can just simply add. 

You do not have FIDSI but do have FIDS so we tried to keep most of our resources in the base game as our "identity"  (Amplitude Games)

But I agree that I would love more unique weapons or upgrades that change completely how a hero is played.

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ThePilot wrote:

@Daarkarrow
I do not expect a response to my rambling as your hands are probably tied, but I want you to know that the minimal response you gave was appreciated, and that I will still follow the game if it heads in a positive direction. I'd rather be the jerk than be right, in the end...
I was hurt by this game, and I wanted Amplitude to know, for whatever its worth. 

No worries, I mean I like interaction with the players as in the end, it is my job to do :P

I totally understand that with the word "Dungeon" (but in a way is a "dungeon") or the connection could be a "direct sequel" from DotE. As it was not the case we see Endless Dungeon as a spiritual successor, meaning that to "us" is not 100% direct. We took some elements and then tried to innovate/change from DotE. An example here is the full control of the heroes + Twin Stick Shooter elements (an outside example could be taking the Assasin Creed franchise and changing it to a DotE style, top-down with no direct control, which could be amazing, but I am sure a lot of elements in the game cannot be the same).

I am the first one who has been reading most comments since day 1 of release (and well earlier than that), but there were elements that with the current gameplay were not possible (like the use of dust to turn On/Off rooms, as it was not working at all with the fixed spawn, etc.) to bring from DotE.
We have tried to make it crystal clear from day 1 that this was not a DotE2 but I do understand that a lot of players were expecting that or arrived here expecting that.

Then the balance strategy/action has been something the team has in mind and tried to work with the different balancing and changes.
In the past, there were builds in which you could finish the entire game without any turret (which could be funny), but there has been some balancing in order to mix these 2 elements of strategy/action (while I know there are people that they do not want this, but it is something that from a creative perspective we wanted to have). There are other elements that I'm sure can be improved and others that in order to make it more impactful will need an entire rework (which I cannot promise to happen).

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ThePilot wrote:

Anyway, I came here to leave this: https://steamcommunity.com/id/Meilf/recommended/1485590/ 
My Steam Review

I've been burned so many times before. Luckily, this is half-baked. 

This is my first negative review and I only write it because I believe this could be something amazing, but it just isn't. The direction chosen seems....odd. We went from (Dungeon of the Endless) Pixelated mysterious sci-fi with a horror tinge to cartoony nonsense with a sci-fi tinge. The strength of this game's predecessor is nearly non-existent in favor of an almost friendly comical atmosphere.

Thanks for the review!

I wanted to clarify that Endless Dungeon is not a direct sequel to Dungeon of the Endless (otherwise it will be called DotE2). It is clear that we took some elements that inspired us, but we wanted to try something different. 

Edit: You make it sound like it is the only negative review you ever wrote (here is a personal feeling), while you have other negative reviews (but yes in terms of the timeline it was your first negative).

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MachineSpirit wrote:

Has this game been abandoned?

We are working on the next update that should release really 🔜™ 

While we continue to work on the next Update, we had to make some changes to the text in the content management menu. Unfortunately, due to the way the data is bundled into files, this patch may be a large download in spite of the small change. We are sorry for the inconvenience.

Version Number: 1.5.10705

Changes

• Adjusted the description of the Ichiban and Kiryu Skin Pack 

Version number: 1.5.10693

Bugfixes

• Fixed an issue where "Turret Tenacity" Station Card is not applied on invincible targets.
• Fixed an issue where Crystal Specialty disappears when selecting a Station Card without a Crystal Specialty effect.

Hello everyone,

Today we have the "latest question" related to the new content we brought alongside Wild Cards Update, the alternative version of certain monsters.

The question by the devs are dedicated thread to talk about specific topics with you, the community. This is a perfect moment for you to share specific concerns, crazy ideas, some balancing suggestions, etc.

Here you have the links to the 2 previous Questions by the Devs, Station Cards and District Drawbacks.

ALTERNATE MONSTERS

From left to right: Dissolver, Fissioner, Slayer and Ardent Shadow (will be easier when talking about specifics of each of them)

Here are some "open" questions that we think could be nice as an starting point and to help people some guidelines or starting points

• What do you think overall of the different alternate monsters?
• Do they make you "force/change/react" a bit different, when compare to other monsters?
• is there any of them that you think should be buff (perhaps too week when compare)
• Which of them is your favorite and your "least-liked"? Why?
• Do you have any ideas for new alternate monsters? 

As I mentioned, those are some questions as example, but please do not hesitate to share any additional feedback you have about the Alternate Monsters.

We will be having around some members of the team reading all your feedback :)